The two then kidnapped Teena and took him to a rural area, where they raped and beat him. Of itself, Id say that IQ test result is much too crude a basis to determine criminal culpability (and is not used here in UK). How else could Tom and John have founded Brandon at Lisa? Teena was trying to join the U.S. Army as a radio communications technician, and she would have done well in the military, she had leadership potential. There is a noteworthy moment. Also, DP trials are more expensive for several reasons: they often require extra lawyers; there are strict experience requirements for attorneys, leading to lengthy appellate waits while capable counsel is sought for the accused; security costs are higher. Maybe he is afraid of going to hell. What I would object to, per the above observation, is demand/enforcement/coercion of something that I should be free to offer as a kindness because it is, in fact, counter-factual for the reason you state. Tisdel paid to get him out of jail, and he told her that he was undergoing sex reassignment surgery. Aphrodite Jones account is a stripped and streamlined screenplay version to a point that court testimony shows a totally different version of the event. With regards to Teena, Nissen made several statements to authorities about what he did to her and about his intentions for her, always using highly sexualized language, even when situation did not call for it, such as when he showed up at the police station trying to get Teenas bail revoked. Although a slightly irrelevant issue, there is concern here in UK that gender dysphoria is too readily assigned, particularly to children, who are (unbelievably) almost encouraged to consider whether they should be the other sex on slim grounds. From many things. What Happened to Brandon Teenas Most Famous Ex? It just gets a little confusing sometimes because you see a picture of him as a little girl and then as a teenage boy. Be true to your heart and true to the truth, and it will never fail you if you have the courage. Ray was to honor her sister whom she loved, middle name Rae. Falls City is a small town, and all of these families were well-acquainted; Lana's best friend was Michelle Lotter, John's sister. Lana herself suffered injuries requiring hospitalization, but she has since recovered. It is also noteworthy that Teena Brandon came from a FAMILY, meaning from a large extended family with ties that bind. They took a circuitous trip back to Falls City, so no one would see them returning from Humboldts direction. Nissen was not so ignorant. Being kind isnt PC, its simply decent. Quit wasting tax payers money on these disgusting bags of dung. She dressed, talked, walked and got into much trouble by identifying that way. Talk about back water to down trash. AFFORDABLE, Teena and Phil were trapped in Humboldt by poverty and homelessness. Whatever you meant, or meant to state, this is actual meaning of your words. Point person. Your opinions and logic are flawed and you make more of a case that she truly identified as a male than you do believing she was just mentally and emotionally screwed up. But a week after he was arrested on a check-forging. The mentally ill man then picked up something heavy and beat the grad student to death with it. Really, read up on the outlaw biker violence against women and how Nissen beat Teena by kicking and punching her in the belly every time he beat her. I really didnt know any true details about it. As writer John Gregory Dunne described them in The New Yorker: Their sociopathic curricula vitae were so similar as to be almost interchangeable. I AM UNDER CONSTANT You can try to twist your own transphobic narrative on this subject all you want, but Brandon exemplified in every way the accepted psycbosocial identity of a trans personhe lived and loved as a man at a time when transgender identities were dismissed and vilified as some sort of carnival sideshow or transgressive pervert, and ultimately that is why he was killedby ignorance arguably no different than your own. Try hard as you might, you will not find any other photo of Teena touching a male. When a inmate is sentenced he has no rights. I tried Facebook to look for someone on both sides but they dont want to talk about it anymore! After that murder, American jailers were no longer allowed to lock up under age prisoners with grown ups. Brandon Teena, left, with Lana Tisdel in an undated photo (Associated Press) Twenty years ago in a little Nebraskan town called Falls City, a handsome 21-year-old transman with big blue eyes. Im also happy to call Brandon whatever his preference was, too. But you then added that Brandon was saving for surgery. You shouldnt call him a girl or use she/her. She wasnt just dreaming of being an outlaw, she was turning into a delinquent. She wanted to leave Humboldt since Dec 28 and cops were okay with it. I guess for now ill settle for bookmarking and adding your RSS feed to my Google account. She could not get in the Army because she did not have a high school diploma. Even if we accept that Lotters to all intents and purposes an 8-y-o (I dont, necessarily), he is clearly very dangerous and likely needs incarceration for life. Its one of the women he dated source the original Village voice article. How can one be respectful of what is claimed [by one] to be imagined? People traumatized by torture suffer in a certain way when they realize that they are going to be tortured again, and Lotter noticed and attempted to describe it, without knowing what it is. Well, among the Brandon clans tombstones where Teena is buried is the tombstone for that aunt, who died in 2000s. But boy oh boy you guys have been sold a pup, that is really a vicious carnivore from the day the Central banks in the Temple killed nailed the Table tipper. Rather than rant, Ill simply state that Im perfectly content to use whatever pronoun a person would prefer, as the likely kind thing to do; and Brandon would seemingly have wished to be known as he. Linda Gutierres had a rough life. That would be a terrible injustice. Teena was an awesome girl! They could have taught her to handle domestic violence while she was at the psychiatric hospital, but the professionals were sub standard. Lotter, Nissen and Brandon. John Lotter shot and murdered the three people, how can you people be so gullible as to accept the word of a convicted felon who contradicted himself under oath? Everyone wanted her to move and she had no place to go, also, for many reasons, she was not the easiest person to get along with. Hes no Neil deGrasse Tyson, but he speaks distinctly, enunciating evidentiary hearing perfectly well, for example. LANA by LANA, released 20 March 2020 1. Aston was killed in the crash. Lana Bachman lives in Centralia, KS; previous city include Falls City NE. Lana : No. Right on! I People do not talk about it, because they have something to hide. You both was there so you both participated in it. Lanas father, L.L. Had this been in the military, it would have been seen as great military bearing, instead we have a defiant mug shot. This was apparently with all of the censorship of social media on only one side of the conversation. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Later on, kids go through a period of adjustment, but most people remain true to themselves on some level. Thats all that matters. Court documents indicate that people were afraid of Lotter, that he terrorized his local community. r: I need do nothing of the sort thankfully cos I live in a democracy which allows (just!) Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its incoherent nonsense but its everywhere; and right- (with a small r) thinking people feel too cowed by vicious liberal intolerance to call a spade a spade and say wait a minute arent you getting a bit carried away? Not so. Having agreed that Brandon is male your subsequent assertion either had to contradict that or was otiose. Rehabilitations not in issue for these two, just permanent removal from society. Teena Brandon really wanted to be a soldier. Im happy to refer to people as they wish so long as Im not asked to deny biological sex. Apparently an act Teena put on for Lana. Teena and Tisdel began seeing each other, because Tisdel found Teena attractive and believed Brandon was a cisgender man. That night, adult inmates beat him to a bloody pulp, and tortured him by burning him with cigarettes and lit matches between his toes. (Her husband was John Gregory Dunne and like, Dominick Dunne, he left us too soon, unfortunately.). And if thats transphobic, so what? There is a widely reported notion that Teena hated lesbians. She needed men as an audience for which she would get in bed with any girl, either to show off for her male pack of to get their approval, a feminine trait, but not reserved for women only. That is because Teena needed a company of wolves to run with. Thats all for this week. The newspaper story mentioned that Nebraska state prisons dont keep records of inmate weddings, so theres no way to find out whether the men followed through and actually got married. Teenas real problem was that she witnessed her mother and sister getting hit at around 3 to 5 years of age, and spend the rest of her life running from domestic violence and mysogeny. Any gender identity issues should come second after these more immediate concerns. That quid pro quo is what is truly missing in every aspect of our lives right now. She was portrayed in the film by Chlo Sevigny, who was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance. THREATENED, Have you read any forensics work on the crime scene? In the context of the above does it make sense that Teena starts showering seven times a day with a complete change of clothing? On top of that, Teena Brandons tragedy was shamelessly exploited to make money and everyone is waiting to be paid by the next Steven Spielberg. brandons agab may be female but his gender identity was male. That aspect of her life escapes you, because you have no appreciation for just how traumatized and dysfunctional she was. Teena played a different tune for Lana Tisdel during their visit Teena is upset, listless, asking Lana to get her out of jail. No matter who stabbed? Well, maybe they did. These men killed 3 people. She was tapped to be a manager at a restaurant where she once worked. Having said that, Teena Brandon talked about going to Nashville and becoming the manager of Lana Tisdels KARAOKE singing career. She has become more striking with maturity. Teena Brandons psychological symptoms were the result of early childhood exposure to criminality, domestic violence against her mom and her sister, and alcohol abuse first. Struggle to survive. Sevigny is best known for her role as Lana Tisdel in the film Boy's Don't Cry as well as Jean in American Psycho . They deserve the death sentence, regardless. Notice how no account of Teena Brandons life examines Teenas family to any extent. Regarding your other point, about common people with nothing special about them egregiously murdered. They did it for their own benefit. You people need to have some respect. The only way I would is if its proven to be a deterrent but Im not sure it has. Im pro trans-rights. Nothing I stated agrees with Lotter and Nissen (are you privy to their mindset, motivation, opinion, and argument as if they had a brain cell between them?) thats literally transphobic. Brandons identity was irrelevant: all we need to know is some vicious thugs murdered him. Great post. Sevigny received an Oscar nomination for her role. Lana Tisdel is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the 1993 murder of Brandon Teena was chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry.She was portrayed in the film by Chlo Sevigny, who was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance as Tisdel.. Can I tie her up and keep her in my bedroom (until the Court opens after Christmas holidays, so that she can be surrendered there and bail be revoked)? He asked. He gets visibly upset and his voice goes up a couple of notches, like somebody grabbed him by the balls, when he starts talking about his death sentence. But they raped her, the one thing men do to assert dominance and humiliation. They accepted him, except they didnt. All the psychological issues you bring up are very common with transgender people. 2- How many Transmen joined straight male criminal organizations or associated with heterosexuals? Both Teena and her sister were/are running from the stigma of being economically poor, or being a part of the social underclass. Their rights are completely taken away. Dramatic-license violation: She alleged that the movie used her life story without her permission and unfairly depicted her as a habitual drinker and drug user. That is why you see no academic papers about how they treated and attempted to heal Teena. Lana is residing in Kansas with her husband and kids. Theyll make some statement to make you not scrutinize what happened like dont suffer any crazy conspiracy theories when their explanation is absolutely bonkers nuts. Theres no points for dumb. HE was transgender. When I started my research back in 1994, wanting to meed another girl like her, I discovered certain excellent research forgotten today. Dissolute youths. Its too possible to apply it unequally and therefore unfairly assuming it COULD be justified. The form may change; the substance doesnt. THEY TRIED TO KILL ME Also, certain things she was closer with Nissen that she was with Tisdel. She worked physical labor at a lumber yard. He got into drunken trouble again and his parents did not bail him out of jail. I suggest you leave the diagnosing to the real medical professionals like the doctor who commented here. When Teenas teen-age father was killed in his car accident, his parents took Teenas pregnant mom in. Its a specific form of violence used against women. Sensible, sane people should refuse to collude with the ideological demand for effective linguistic abuse for the purpose of shaping the world in the form that others would have it. Are they? Her psychiatrist failed her, which is why there is no clinical literature about her case, her story did not enter clinical annals, the way boy who dreamt of wolves, and other interesting psychiatric patients did. Have you seen the jacket she was wearing? Distorted synthesizers and drum machines wail away. She is from United States. While Im mindful that biological sex is fixed and significant (in the face of PC dross denying), I presume BT would wish to be referred to as male, and it seems churlish not to do so. Brandons mother, JoAnn, won $80,000 in a civil suit against the county for failing to arrest Lotter and Nissen immediately after the rape charges were filed. In August 2020, Lana suffered a new tragedy when her Ford pickup crossed a center line and fatally injured Chrysler minivan driver Glenn D. Aston in a head-on crash in Fairview, Kansas. Their reduced circumstances, however, havent stopped the pair from snagging love interests while behind bars. You stole the gun. Apart from the television works, this American has also appeared in movies. Teenas sister spoke on the phone to Tom Nissen and told him that Teena Brandon had a sex change surgery scheduled in several months and that Teena would be fully male after that. Refer to people as they prefer, not as you insist they be. Lots of people oppose the death penalty both in moral and practical terms. Were you there? The guy is anxious and uncomfortable twirling a beer glass when he is telling this. and socially was worlds apart. Blown out and lonely. Boys Dont Cry is a fantasy has nothing in common with real events. You inferred that I dont think Brandon was a male because thats your stance. There are situations where it doesnt matter who you think you are or you identify with you either handle it, or you dont, and Teena was responding emotionally to domestic violence, rape and beating as a girl. God rest their souls. It was a girl, not a boy. I just cant figure out why you and a couple of others on here are so insistent on co-opting this story to suit your own narratives? Whatever the case, Lotters last appeal was rejected by the Nebraska Supreme Court in September 2018. Teena Brandon did the opposite, making herself susceptible to domestic violence, that she was running away from, but never learned to handle. Nor does surgery or chemicals change ones essence. [citation needed]. I WAS TOLD, Apparently there is Teenas prison letter to Lana, where Teena is morosely doing time, pacing the cell and doing push ups and chin ups. These two hideous scumbags killed because of their lack of self esteem and self worth and most importantly they TOTALLY COMPREHENDED their PREMEDITATED MURDERS! His ex-pal Thomas Nissen is serving his sentence of life without parole plus 24 years at Lincoln Correctional Center. Homosexuality was not measured in terms of who one sleeps with, but rather in terms of a person associating exclusively with people of their own gender. The murderers attempted some precautions. You can watch the interviews with Lana Tisdel and Linda Gutierres in the documentary on YouTube. Ditto, to a lesser extent to whole-lifers. Lisa Lambert's name was changed to Candace in the movie. Evil men have made everyone secondary to mathematical artifice that is a compound interest scam and that aint freedom, thats slavery worse than any fuedal system before the Magna Carta and theyve made it so Lawyers swear an oath not to tell you the truth of of a totally corrupt system, so you in fact pay for their freedom and theft of an entire planet, and poor old Brandon is just another symptom of the intentional pressure theyve put on everyone from a once proud and basically Christian Democracy that if it got its crap in order could drill em a new one (a Christian democracy which incidentally banned compound interest usury on pains of death so of course they are going to try and distort the truth of that scenario) and was murdered in 63 and most likely by those you helped but think they own you. The coffin is pink and gray marble color, and it is noticeably short. The underachieving trio met while they were couch-surfing and partying in the town of Falls City and other spots in Richardson County. Men and women react differently to being raped and being punched in the stomach. SURVEILIANCE, WHAT SEEMS TO BE Lana M. Tisdel (born May 28, 1975)[2] is an American woman whose early life and involvement with the December 1993 murders of Brandon Teena, Lisa Lambert and Phillip DeVine, at the hands of John Lotter and Tom Nissen, is chronicled in the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 film Boys Don't Cry (which left out DeVine). Not to mention, Brandons murder was in retaliation for his reporting the rape. Sheriffs deputies who interacted with her in jail liked her, and later testified that she upbeat and optimistic, talking with them about life in general, and that after the rape, Teena was different she seemed downtrodden and her voice was dead. The ladies obviously had intellectual rather than carnal gratification in mind when they married them. Lambert's son Tanner was in the house at the time and was unharmed. BTW, I believe that part of the brutality and humiliation of what was done to her was done because she was successfully competing with Lotter and Nissen for dominance, and both liked her as a woman, and emotionally, Teena was really a traumatized girl. Biological sex is assigned at birth. Who here believes Lana Tisdel and her mother are the reasons for Brandon's death? Tisdel was shocked, said her mother. Taxpayers in DP states need to ask themselves if there could be a WORSE way of spending their money than this! It isnt. She was person unique not an identity or set of characteristics to be appropriated for socio-political discourse, who was appallingly murdered. . You people love to ignore using his correct prounons like one way to respect him is use HE AND HIM. This could have been easily fixed with steroid injections you can get on the street. A few days later, on New Year's Eve 1993, Lotter and Nissen came to the Tisdel residence drunk and looking for Brandon, and threatened the Tisdel sisters. You oppose the death sentence? Violence against any woman is a terrible tragedy, but against her was especially tragic, given both, who she was and the circumstances under which it happened. Tisdel found out he was transgender after his birth name was printed in the local newspaper in the arrests section. After Brandon, 21, filed sexual assault charges, Lotter and Nissen decided to kill him in a case that became the subject of the 1998 documentary The Brandon Teena Story and the 1999 movie Boys Dont Cry starring Hilary Swank. Thank you for the heads-up Ill do some more research on the pic! There was a lot going on between them and it tied them to other individuals. She had the use of Lisa Lamberts car. There was a study that showed black ad brown kids having an inner image of themselves as blond and blue-eyed, like their favorite actors in the movies. What kind of an apology is that? I agree Marc, but this is one of those cases where the 95% wont let facts et in the way of feelings so to speak. Its a disgrace on many levels. Her gay cousins did her no favors. Tisdel sued the creators of the film Boys Don't Cry for using her name and likeness without permission; the suit was settled out of court. Ive watched the entire worlds moral compass go south and its by design. She had access to money during her time in Omaha, but never pursued it. What conditions have to exist for you to let me inside your house and give me a beer? She changes facts to make Teena more likable. Lotter used to beat up strangers at the convenience store where Lana Tisdel worked, for any perceived slight against her; Lotter took police on a multi state car chase, once went for a police officers gun once and almost got killed. Its not interested in what the average American thinks, because it patronisingly regards him/her as too stupid: a person who NEEDS to be told what to think. Teena died much harder and I believe that Lotter was the shooter. Today, she maintains a presence on the internet, but she uses her married name, Lana Bachman, and probably isnt looking to satisfy curiosity seekers. Teena suffered from OCD, Alcohol Abuse, an eating disorder. THAT MADE A Log in or sign up for Facebook to connect with friends, family and people you know. The film also starred Chloe Sevigny as his girlfriend Lana Tisdel. Teena was devastated by the final rejection from the military. Fundamentally it matters not why they killed her; its THAT they did thats appalling, not WHY. How about I knock on your door and tell you that I been looking for a long time for you. Lotter described an unusual look in Teenas eyes. This was the last person who saw the three people alive. It cant logically be both. A hate crime is a crime that is motivated by prejudice on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, or other grounds.. Dramatization on big screen. Just because he was born a female does not mean you cant call him by the correct prounons. FROM THE We all wonder what on earth theyre doing the answer being fetishising the murderous/rapist/criminal object. John Lotter is an insect, a non-entity, nothing resembling a human being. For instance, according to Court testimony, Teena comes up to Lana Tisdels house, knocks on her door, and says something to the effect I spent a long time trying to find you, and Lana Tisdel lets Brandon inside and gives him a beer. What you tolerate, you had better be prepared to suffer. Shortly after the movies came out, Lana and her mother appeared on A Current Affair and The Maury Povich Show. You point to another problem: the vested interest in poor performance in IQ testing post-conviction. Finally, there is John Gregory Dunnes The Humboldt Murders. Its not clear what type of work she does or whether she and her husband are still together. You are too ready to believe bad reporting and poor journalism. PHYSICALLY Read an update on Lana Tisdel and her mother. Cost is now certainly an issue in DP debate as it should be. As you presented it, she was becoming, not was, to be achieved only per operation. The biggest problem with the PC Brigade appropriating Teena Brandon as a transgender icon is that they overlook the real person who lived and died. Yes, she became an Issue, much as Matthew Shephard did when he was murdered by two scumbags, after which far more silliness issued. 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